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Roger Allin, Part 2

This is a continuation of the interview with Roger Allin by William Schneider on July 7, 1993 at his house in Fort Collins, Colorado. Ted Swem was present and had suggested the interview, because of the important role Roger played in helping the National Park Service identify management areas. Ted participates in the interview, but the focus is on Roger telling about his experiences in Alaska and how his job as a fisheries biologist gave him the chance to explore the natural areas. In this second part of a two part interview, Roger talks about his park service career and his perceptions of federal management related to subsistence, Native people, and resource management.

Corrections: The comments made in this intervew about territorial control over game and fish matters pertained specifically to the Territorial Department of Fish and Game. There was a Territorial Game Commission, composed of six "old timers" who passed on and effectuated the recommendations of the Fish and Wildlife Service. Upon later reflection, Roger Allin does not believe George Collins accompanied Dick Leonard, Bob Luntey, and himself on the McCarthy trips as stated in the tape.

Digital Asset Information

Archive #: Oral History 93-15-37

Project: Wrangell-St.Elias National Park
Date of Interview: Jul 7, 1993
Narrator(s): Roger Allin
Interviewer(s): Bill Schneider, Ted Swem, Sr.
Location of Interview:
Location of Topic:
Funding Partners:
National Park Service
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1) Lake Clark trips

2) Alaska resources study

3) His Park Service career

4) His perceptions of federal management: schools

5) His perceptions of federal management: schools and subsistence

6) His perceptions of federal management: resources management

7) His perceptions of federal management: Native integration

8) His perceptions of federal management: subsistence pride

9) His perceptions of federal management: subsistence regulations

10) His thoughts on subsistence living

11) His activities after retirement

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1: Swem, Ted\ Wood-Tikchik\ airplane\ waterfalls\ mountain peaks

2: 1962\ Juneau\ Varian, Dorothy\ grant -- Varian Foundation\ study -- resource base\ Schedule C\ National Park Service\ Fish and Wildlife Service\ State of Alaska\ Allin, Roger -- withdrawals\ Varian Foundation\ Nationwide Survey Plan\ Alaska -- economic benefits\ Ferry System\ Bell, Roscoe\ Alaska -- recreational planning\ Walrus Island\ Wood-Tikchik\ Plourde, Earl\ University of Alaska Fairbanks Archives -- Bell interviews

3: Chief of Recreation Surveys\ Bureau of Recreation\ National Park Service -- planning office\ Bureau of Recreation -- NPS personnel move to\ Bureau of Recreation -- field representative\ Beard, Dan\ California\ New Mexico\ Santa Fe, NM\ Allin, Roger -- Regional Southwest Director\ Everglades National Park\ Project Manhattan

4: consolidated schools -- problems with\ subsistence

5: Native culture -- subsistence movements\ schools -- family dislocation\ subsistence\ hunting and fishing\ resources -- depletion\ Natives -- dependency issues\ Native culture -- destruction of\ aid to dependent children

6: Hickel, Walter -- Secretary of the Interior\ consolidated school program -- opposes it\ resources -- management

7: federal policy -- avoid integration\ resources -- management\ subsistence culture -- Native

8: Brownian Movement -- condensed populations\ Natives -- need buffer\ Native pride\ Native -- subsistence description

9: Whites -- "going Native"\ National Park Service -- policies\ ecosystem -- rules\ traditional means\ snowmachines\ dog sleds\ resource -- impact\ trapping -- cash crop

10: western office\ Collins, George\ Bureau of Recreation\ National Park Service -- southwest office\ Everglades -- superintendent\ Washington, D.C. -- Deputy Assistant Director of Operations\ Lake Mead -- superintendent\ Olympic National Park -- superintendent\ Allin, Roger -- retire 1976

11: retirement -- description