Roger Allin was interviewed by William Schneider on July 7, 1993 at his house in Fort Collins, Colorado. Ted Swem was present and had suggested the interview, because of the important role Roger played in helping the National Park Service identify management areas. Ted participates in the interview, but the focus is on Roger telling about his experiences in Alaska and how his job as a fisheries biologist gave him the chance to explore the natural areas. Because of his knowledge and because he enjoyed showing people these areas, he was often called upon to take VIP's to different parts of Alaska. At the time of this interview, Roger had been away from Alaska for many years, but in this interview you can tell he looks back at his time there with a great deal of pleasure. He speaks freely and publicly expresses his opinions.
Corrections: The comments made in this intervew about territorial control over game and fish matters pertained specifically to the Territorial Department of Fish and Game. There was a Territorial Game Commission, composed of six "old timers" who passed on and effectuated the recommendations of the Fish and Wildlife Service. Upon later reflection, Roger Allin does not believe George Collins accompanied Dick Leonard, Bob Luntey, and himself on the McCarthy trips as stated in the tape.
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Project: Wrangell-St.Elias National Park
Date of Interview: Jul 7, 1993
Narrator(s): Roger Allin
Interviewer(s): Bill Schneider, Ted Swem, Sr.
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1) His personal background
2) Early fisheries work and coming to Alaska
3) Showing VIP's the Alaskan bush
4) The relationship between the National Park Service and territorial government
5) Relationship between various agencies and Alaska statehood
6) Federal involvement in Alaska prior to statehood
7) Roger Allin's involvement in Alaska planning for the Fish and Wildlife Service
8) Areas that impressed Roger Allin, and areas that he talked to National Park Service people about
9) The search for Clarence Rhodes
10) Enjoying the Alaskan wilderness
11) Questions relating to politics involved in selecting areas
12) Arrigetch Peaks and the wildlife experience
13) Gates of the Arctic and the wildlife experience
14) Clarence Rhodes
15) The Wrangells area and why Roger Allin supported it
16) His fish research
17) The Wrangells area ecology
18) His trip into the Wrangells area in the late 1950's
19) His early relations with George Collins
20) His various biological research efforts
21) Roger's work spotlighting areas of interest for the National Park Service
22) Lake Clark trips
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1: father -- professor of political science\ grandfather -- professor of entomology\ interests -- politics and wild things\ degree -- wildlife management\ Minneapolis\ Lake (Minnetonka)\ Fraser, Donald M.\ St. Croix River\ University of Minnesota\ graduate work -- fisheries management\ Illinois -- river basin studies
2: Fish and Wildlife Service\ biologist -- fresh water fishery\ transportation\ fish histories
3: pilot -- flown entire territory\ Swem, Ted\ National Park Service\ fisheries\ Washington D.C.\ trips to the bush
4: arrival in Alaska -- 1951\ Alaska -- territory\ statehood -- 1959\ National Park Service -- control\ Fish and Wildlife -- regulation enforcement\ fishery -- research and publicity\ territorial government -- limited input\ Fish and Wildlife -- management\ statehood movement\ permit system\ Washington D.C.
5: Alaska -- interest in\ Washington D.C. office\ conservation groups\ statehood
6: Fish and Wildlife Service\ National Park Service -- 4 units in Alaska\ Parks and Recreation\ Mt. McKinley\ Sitka -- monument park\ Katmai\ Glacier Bay\ National Park Service -- Washington office\ public recreation resources of Alaska\ Collins, George\ New Mexico\ National Park Service -- western office\ Alaska plan\ surveys -- nation wide
7: Alaska -- potentials\ travel -- Alaska\ National Park Service -- personnel\ resource planning\ National Park values\ Swem, Ted\ preservation\ public lands -- Lower 48\ National Park Service -- planning for\ values -- scientific, historical, and recreation\ Fish and Wildlife Service\ Wood-Tikchik\ Bureau of Land Management\ area size\ acreage requirements\ Engle, Congressman Claire -- CA
8: Wood-Tikchik area\ airplane\ shack\ Wind River\ fishing\ population density\ public access sites\ Anchorage\ Wasilla\ Walrus Islands\ Aniakchak crater\ crater -- landing\ Arrigetch Peaks -- Brooks Range
9: Arrigetch Peaks\ Rhodes, Clarence -- search for\ Norton Sound\ Brooks Range Drainage\ Northwest Territories, Canada
10: flying -- cutting edge\ wilderness experience
11: Wood-Tikchik country\ 1962\ Lake Clark\ Round Island\ Katmai\ Lake George\ Brooks Range\ Mt. McKinley National Park\ Parks For America\ Wrangells\ Walker Lake\ Gates of the Arctic\ memo -- Roger Allin\ Collins, George\ Thompson, Ben\ National Significance Areas\ Collins, George -- in favor of\ regional office\ Alaska public land potential\ report -- 2 areas\ Washington D.C.
12: wilderness\ flying\ wilderness experience -- description
13: national park\ Gates of the Arctic -- use\ access -- fly in\ limit people\ wilderness area\ radios\ Bettles
14: Rhodes, Clarence\ airplane\ Rhodes, Clarence -- story\ Fairbanks -- story
15: Skagway\ McCarthy area\ Mt. St. Elias\ Wrangell-St. Elias\ biological elements\ McCarthy -- historic interest\ McCarthy railroad\ Salt Chuck\ Cordova\ Copper River\ flat land\ delta ecology\ Skagway
16: fish resource -- description\ fish -- testing of\ fish -- growth rates\ Fish and Wildlife Service
17: Salt Chuck\ marine ecology\ birds\ glacier and clear water streams\ glaciers\ Wrangells -- comprehensive area\ McCarthy\ Leonard, Dick\ Collins, George
18: Chitina\ automobiles\ transportation\ McCarthy road -- story
19: Collins, George\ Leonard, Dick\ California
20: transportation -- Wrangells\ McCarthy -- historical aspects\ game counts -- aerial\ wolf -- hunting\ Fish and Wildlife Service\ bear\ Kodiak\ Cordova flats\ water fowl
21: Swem, Ted\ Gates\ Lake Clark\ Wood-Tikchik\ National Park Service -- interests in\ Wrangells\ Worth, Connie\ Canada -- international park\ Kluane\ Aniakchak crater area\ volcanism -- theme study\ western office -- list\ Veniaminof Mountain
22: Lake Clark Pass\ Anchorage\ Bristol Bay\ glaciers\ lakes\ fisheries\ emergency cabin -- Twin Lakes\ Lake Clark\ Dillingham\ Walrus Island\ Round Island\ Katmai\ Katmai -- falls\ withdrawal program\ Wood-Tikchik